Organized by
Y-Axis.com, TMI Network and Clyde Jones, Chief of Visa Consulate Services,
US Consulate, Madras, India on April 7, 2000.
Clyde:
You are dealing with three separate government agencies when the H-1B petition process
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Y-Axis Team with Clyde Jones
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The step one is:
Labor Certification agreement: The company that you work for or intend to work for has to
wait with the Labor department and its certifications. The Labor department has to certify
that this job offer is an original job offer that the company is going to pay you for it
and so forth. When this is approved it takes to the next step in the INS.
They approve the petition based on the
Labor certification on your qualification. To our office we get a stack of papers - on an
average 2000 petitions per month. These petitions contain: The approval notice,
Application to the INS, Application from your employer saying how great you are and why
you are the right person for the job, copies of your degree, copies of job offer, previous
job experience letters
. everything that you sent to your prospective employer.
INS has to approve that whole package -
they go through that package and they look at it and then OK it if everything is OK.
Once the petition is approved - it comes
to us and then you come here and apply for your visa. The fact that you have an approved
petition legally or under immigration law is evidence that you are who you say you are and
that you qualify for the job that you have applied. Now how do you qualify for that job: -
An H-1B visa can only be issued and
approved for someone who has a degree, specialty occupation they are hired to go into the
US for or they have equivalent work experience to make up for that degree that they
dont have.
The INS will use and we will use because
the INS does, a 3:4 ratio if you dont have a degree. If you dont have a degree
and you wish to work in the US on an H-1B visa, you have to have an equivalent work
experience of the 4-year Bachelors degree. It is calculated as 3 years of experience for 1
missing year of degree, so that totals to 4 * 3 = 12. No degree implies you have to have
12 years of experience in your specialty field in order to qualify for the H-1B visa.
Now what we look at, INS looks at one
thing we look at something else. Technically we petition off the visa immediately because
the approved petition is already there. What we see quite often and quite frankly that
most of you probably already know this from the past publicity and wherever from that
there is a very high forgery in the H-1B category, I dont say high but it is up
there. People lie to us, people lie to people, people lie to their prospective employers.
They forge their documents, forge their degree and their previous employment experience.
The INS does not know that because they
have copies of your documents and not the original documents. When it gets to us we have
the expertise, we know whats going on and if we find any educator that is fraud we
will withhold that application and remove it for investigation. Fraud educators means,
well I cant discuss all of them, but we know what a forged degree looks like, that
is why when you come for your visa, we ask you to carry you original documents, and ask
you to show them. You will be surprised to know the length people go through to bring
their original documents. You will be surprised to know how much money people are willing
to pay to get these forged documents.
We had a case where a person, who was
actually qualified and had a degree, the only thing was that his University did not issue
his degree and he had to wait for his convocation to get it. What did he do? He made a big
mistake of his life, he paid someone to fabricate a degree certificate for him and he came
to us with it and guess what he is never going to get a visa from us again for the rest of
his life because he made a stupid mistake. Instead of telling us what happened or have his
University give a letter stating the problem, he got a fabricated degree, when he actually
had a degree and was qualified.
Dont submit a forged document. You
want to be who you say you are, you have a degree, you have the expertise.
Be honest with yourself and that is your
responsibility. Your responsibility is first to be honest to yourself and to your employer
in States.
The employer has to make phone calls,
interview you on phone, how does that employer know.
If I was in the US and I found your name,
email and phone no. on a web site and if I had to make a call to Hyderabad or Bangalore or
Chennai and I ask for you, how do I know who I am speaking to. I dont know if I am
speaking to the right person, I could be talking to your father or sister or uncle or
brother. And this person I am going to be talking to is going to be able to answer all the
questions and he knows what is going on because I would have already sent the schedule for
the telephonic interview via E-mail. This person is going to answer all the questions on
the telephone and its great, I am going to write a letter to them and start the H-1B
processing and he is sure to fly of to the US. When you apply for your visa one of our
Indian employee is going to pre screen your application. They may ask you one or two
questions, like
..
What is SAP?
And then you stare out of the window
..
Explain to me what a Network Manager
does, be it LAN or WAN?
I have no idea
..
I have got a petition here, which says
that this is you and you have all this expertise to do this job for this company and you
cant answer this simple question! If you cant tell me what you are going to do
you cant get your visa! So again be honest with yourself, that is the up forth thing
that you need to do and be honest with your prospective employer too.
Your employer has to pay you atleast the
minimum wage or the prevailing wage for the job that you are being offered. They cannot
take away the job from Americans.
Consultants trading, that is strictly
illegal, that petition is your job base. If the petition is filed by XYZ, you are for XYZ
and if he wants to trade you to ABC, then ABC needs to file your petition and go through
the whole process again. The INS has to approve of it. You cant work with ABC with a
visa you got from XYZ, so trading without going through the INS is strictly illegal and
you cant do that, you could get into trouble. INS will find out that you are working
for ABC with a visa from XYZ and you will find yourself in the next plane back to India.
These are the questions and answers
recorded in the Question-Answer Session:
- If a person has got a H-1B from Sponsor
XYZ and quit after some time because he found out that his Sponsor company is not good
enough and the sponsor has not informed the INS that he as left, will the 6-year H-1B
clock be still on.
- Yes. If your sponsor company has not informed the INS that
you have left the company, The clock will still be on, because INS will not know that you
have left and will be under the impression that you are working for XYZ.
- When can a H-1B visa be transferred (i.e.
from one company to another)?
- INS controls that, if it is done without the knowledge of
the INS it is illegal
- Question unclear (editor)
- If there are any petitions (submitted before March 21st)
left after the cap is reached, those petitions will be made available for October 1st.
New petitions received after March 21st will be returned to the Sponsors and be
told be filed again after Oct 1st.
- If you join company XYZ work for 4 months
and the come back for 2 months and then again go back and work for the company again, how
is the 6-year clock calculated, will the 2 months also be counted.
- Yes, the 2 months will also be counted, Unless INS is told
about it, you are still working for the company and the clock is on.
- You said B1 to H1 is a catastrophe? Why is
that?
- Not a catastrophe. If you are working for a company on a
B1 and you go on a business trip to the US for 3-4 months, the INS has no problem. The
problem arises when your Branch company in the US to which you have come on a B1 visa,
files a H-1 petition for you. When you walk into our office with the letter saying that we
are looking forward for you to join our company and so on, INS will take you aside and
look at that petition and tell you that you have come here on a B1 visa and you will go
back with the kind of visa you are come in. When these two petitions kind of collide with
each other, the INS will pull you up and you are likely to face a problem.
- What about the F1 to H1?
- Again it is an INS issue, it is the states, changing from
one non immigrant category to another non-immigrant category while in the US is an INS
issue?
- Who is eligible for a drop box?
- The following are eligible for a drop box:
- If you have a 3 year visa of any kind
- If you have been travelling to the US for atleast 5years
- If you have to travel extensively
- If you are an IAS officer
- If you are a Diplomat
- If you are in the Police force
- If you are in the military
- H4s, L2s, J2s, H2s.
- If you are Mentally or Physically handicapped
- If you are over 55
- More
For H1Bs - if you are applying for the
same kind again you could use a drop box as long as you provide the necessary
documentation.
- If somebody has an F1 visa and is working
in the US and has applied for his H-1B, but his F1 has expired while his H-1B is still in
process, what is his status? Can he remain in the US till his H-1B is approved?
- As long as it is done through the INS he can stay as long
as he needs to stay.
- We heard that it is difficult for Medical
professional to get an H-1B. So if he shifts to IT and applies for an H1 will his medical
experience be held against him while processing for H-1B?
- Probably not, but it may differ from case to case, we need
to go through the details of a case and decide.
- What happens to those filed before the cap
is reached?
- It will probably be approved. You have to wait patiently
to here from the INS
- If a Consulting company files a petition
for you for working in New York and after the candidate had finished his project in New
York and has to go to California, will the Company have to file for an LCA again?
- Another LCA is not required, but INS has to be told you
are with a Consulting company that contracts people out and that you will be going out on
these jobs. An H-1B is site and job specific, that is why in the Approval notice, you
petition No and Petitioner's name is there. Therefore if you are changing your location
for another project, make sure your company works it out with the INS.
- If a person has been rejected a visa for
lack of Degree or some other problem, can he apply again?
- As long as the reason is not because of fraud, the person
can apply again, but keep in mind that to be eligible for an H-1 you have to have a 4 year
degree or equivalent experience in your specialty occupation.
- Do you discourage change of profession?
- Personally we don't discourage it. But for example if a
Medical professional changed to IT and comes for an H-1B, most of our officers will
question about the change, like
.You have a degree for Medicine, you have spent so
many years to attain it, you have been doing good practice too, you have made good money,
the why on earth would you want to change your profession. We would not discourage but
will definitely ask "Why"?
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